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pill happy

What makes a classic Album. Down In Albion?

Ok, what are the factors that makes an album classic.

there are thoses on here that say DIA is a classic album, but why? musically i think most would agree its poor, it made little to no impact in the way that say UTB did.

lets take a classic album and compare DIN. lets take "the sone rosses" i know theres a few fans on this forum, so...

*not one bad song......................DIA has loads or a few depending on your opinion.
*album plays perfectly as an album, rather then a group of songs put together like a best of sounds......DIA does the same.
*timeless album!..............I like DIA because of the nostagla involved, if i just picked it up yesterday and threw it on without every hearing any of the songs demos etc, i'd prob laugh.
*"the stone rosses" is just perfect, can't put into words perfect,.............can anybody really say they sit down and listen to DIA all the way through and think its perfect.


For ME dia is a PERSONAL CLASSIC for various reasons, but is not classic album in the same way as say

Bob Marley & The Wailers - Catch a Fire
Cream - Disraeli Gears
Velvet Undergornd & Nico
Nirvana - Nevermind
Oasis - Definitely Maybe
The Libs- UTB

please add to what makes an album a classic. Then compare these to DIA. And no fuckin personal attacks, stick to the topic plz.
elyza

to be fair though, every good album isn't a classic. i like DIA, the second half (with the exception of pentonville) more than the first half, i think whats a classic album for me might not be for you though. the albums you mentioned might be "classic" albums, but i can think of loads of albums that are far better albums than those. i have all of those ones btw, i'd say the velvet underground is a classic, none of the others i'd say that about, certainly not nirvana.
Quadrophenia

At the end of the day, a classic album is one that YOU feel is a classic album, i.e a matter of opinion.

My favourite album is The La's self titled, however, I know a lot of people who don't like them at all.

Matter of opinion, that is all.

Case closed, no more comparisons between Babyshambles and Stone Roses please.
pill happy

elyza wrote:
to be fair though, every good album isn't a classic. i like DIA, the second half (with the exception of pentonville) more than the first half, i think whats a classic album for me might not be for you though. the albums you mentioned might be "classic" albums, but i can think of loads of albums that are far better albums than those. i have all of those ones btw, i'd say the velvet underground is a classic, none of the others i'd say that about, certainly not nirvana.


Its not a matter of opinion wheather an album is classic. It either is or its not. you said it yourself, you agree the albums i mentioned are classics even though you don't care from them. i don't love nevermind nor nirvana as a whole, but i can't despute "nevermind" is a classic album.

"i can think of loads of albums that are far better albums than those" of course, but that is were it becomes a matter of opinion, granted the albums you are going to say are classics, if you where to say for example "the La's" is a better that would be opinion, but if you would say "DIA" is better you'd just be fucking wrong,

the examples i gave are just examples, i don't have any particular love for most of them.

people who say "DIA" is a classic are wrong, its not a matter of opinion, that is my point. It can of course be described as personal classic for that person, that is how it is for me.
pill happy

Quadrophenia wrote:
At the end of the day, a classic album is one that YOU feel is a classic album, i.e a matter of opinion.

My favourite album is The La's self titled, however, I know a lot of people who don't like them at all.

Matter of opinion, that is all.

Case closed, no more comparisons between Babyshambles and Stone Roses please.


its not a matter of opinion. thats my point. "the la's" is a classic album, while i didn't get it for ages i reconized it was something special, i know love this album. the people you know are wrong.

i wasn't comparing babyshambles with roses in a musical sense. i was trying to make a point, it had nothing got to do with the roses,could of been any classic album, but you new that, stop the bitchy little nit picking.
Quadrophenia

I just don't really understand how an album becomes a classic, if it isn't a matter of opinion. If this was the case, I'm sure "classic" would be a genre, and it isn't.

I see what you mean about timeless, but what is to stop future generations thinking that Panic At The Discos material is classic? How will we know.

This whole thing is frying my brain and the overuse of "classic" within the thread is doing me no favours in coming to terms with your theory.
pill happy

Quadrophenia wrote:
I just don't really understand how an album becomes a classic, if it isn't a matter of opinion. If this was the case, I'm sure "classic" would be a genre, and it isn't.

I see what you mean about timeless, but what is to stop future generations thinking that Panic At The Discos material is classic? How will we know.

This whole thing is frying my brain and the overuse of "classic" within the thread is doing me no favours in coming to terms with your theory.


thats what the thread is about "What makes a classic Album" i want people to get to work, when we have a list i will be then able to prove DIA is not.

"but what is to stop future generations thinking that Panic At The Discos material is classic? How will we know."

this won't happen(i don't know what they sould like but presume there a emo or new rave band) because it hasn't happened yet, ther'll always be people who like shit music, but prople still reconise "Robert Johnson" and shit like that, good music will prevail, if something sounds dated to future generations, public record will be there to set them straight.

"overuse of "classic" within the thread"

this is also doing my head in, haha. here is what websters says

"serving as a standard of excellence : of recognized value <classic ****** works>
a work of enduring excellence"

but what makes a classic album? and is DIA one,..
powermonkey

DiA is, IN MY OPINION, a classic record. One of the very best I've ever heard. Start to finish, Pentonville and all. Every time I listen to it - and I listen to it a hell of a lot - I feel privileged to hear it.

Obviously not everyone agrees, big deal. Some idiots in Q magazine just voted Oasis as making the 2 best British albums of all time. I think that's barmy, but if that's their opinions then fair enough.
pusherman

And I still cannot understand how you can say that, I really don't.
Stewart

Its a decent album, wouldnt say it was a classic though.
pill happy

powermonkey wrote:
DiA is, IN MY OPINION, a classic record. One of the very best I've ever heard. Start to finish, Pentonville and all. Every time I listen to it - and I listen to it a hell of a lot - I feel privileged to hear it.

Obviously not everyone agrees, big deal. Some idiots in Q magazine just voted Oasis as making the 2 best British albums of all time. I think that's barmy, but if that's their opinions then fair enough.


and thats gravey once you preface "IN MY OPINION" everytime you say DIA is a classic record.

what for you makes DIA a classic album.
powermonkey

pill happy wrote:
powermonkey wrote:
DiA is, IN MY OPINION, a classic record. One of the very best I've ever heard. Start to finish, Pentonville and all. Every time I listen to it - and I listen to it a hell of a lot - I feel privileged to hear it.

Obviously not everyone agrees, big deal. Some idiots in Q magazine just voted Oasis as making the 2 best British albums of all time. I think that's barmy, but if that's their opinions then fair enough.


and thats gravey once you preface "IN MY OPINION" everytime you say DIA is a classic record.

what for you makes DIA a classic album.


Blimey. Where do I start?

I love the songs, first and foremost. WKDN took a while to get, but it's absolutely charming. Pentonville took a while, too, but I fucking love it now, just wish they'd play it live, with keys, like Ark Of The Covenant did. Can't really pick a highlight because it's so consistently great, but Up The Morning is stunning, and Merry Go Round breaks my heart every tiime.

I love the performances. Utterly ragged in places, but the spontaneity of the whole thing knocks me on my arse every time. The way UTM builds as though from nowhere like they've plucked it out of thin air on the spot. Every song is bang on. Merry Go Round defies description, it's just gorgeous. Drew plays a blinder, Adam plays a blinder, Pat plays - believe it or not - a blinder, and Pete sounds like he's off his nuts, but it works just the way it should.

I LOVE the sound. The production is ragged, yes. It sounds exactly as it should. Mick Jones did a bang up job with what he had - the sessions were a mess, people not turning up, smack, crack, family bereavments, etc etc etc. MJ and Bill Price got it just right. The mix is brilliant - get the vinyl, stick it on through a half-way decent amp and speakers and all the crap about it being badly mixed just sounds fucking silly. Adam said something about it being 'the sound of four lads playing in a room' and that's a good description. It sounds like you're there when they're recording and that's just the way I like it. Exactly the same vibe in the room is there on the vinyl.

DiA stands up with any record I've heard, and I've heard a fucking lot of records... maybe most important than anything is that DiA represents the last few years of me getting to know a lot of really lovely people, initially through this place, and now finally in real life too (shock, horror). It's been a really big part of my life for what feels like years.... even my other favourite ever records, records that I love dearly (Up The Bracket, Sgt Pepper's, Pet Sounds, Cold Roses, Pure Phase, Automatic For The People, Blood On The Tracks, Come Away With Me, A Love Supreme, etc etc etc) haven't had the same effect on me. I know for a fact that in 30 years time people will look back on DiA as the classic that I know it is.

Anyhoo, I shall stop whittering.

Embarassed
Quadrophenia

In my opinion, Babyshambles (pre DIA) had so much hype surrounding them, selling out tour after tour, on the back of demos and one single. There was so much excitement just as DIA was being leaked onto the internet (am sure I read a post stating that a fan was "crying with anticipation")  then that hyped disappeared like a fart in a breeze.

I had saw them prior to DIA being released, thought the songs I hadn't heard were great and then I was let down. Some parts of the album are unlistenable, and Pat sounds as if he is chewing the wiring to his effects pedals while Pete stumbles around, smacked off his tits. I am pretty sure you can hear him playing with a belt and a needle in one bit of Up The Morning.

To conclude my rant, it is now being sold in most music stores up and down the country in the bargain bin for £5 or less. Is this the sign of a classic album?
balachadha_bob

The thing about classic albums is that they take years to become so with the majority of listeners.

Only time will tell, but I will be happy to say told you so in a few years.

And I picked up my copy of the La's for £2 in HMV so.......   Wink
pusherman

But you won't because it is a shit album.

And I bet most of you who think it's a classic album only started picking up on Babyshambles a year before the album was leaked. But fat chance you telling us the truth on that one.
powermonkey

Quadrophenia wrote:
In my opinion, Babyshambles (pre DIA) had so much hype surrounding them, selling out tour after tour, on the back of demos and one single. There was so much excitement just as DIA was being leaked onto the internet (am sure I read a post stating that a fan was "crying with anticipation")  then that hyped disappeared like a fart in a breeze.

I had saw them prior to DIA being released, thought the songs I hadn't heard were great and then I was let down. Some parts of the album are unlistenable, and Pat sounds as if he is chewing the wiring to his effects pedals while Pete stumbles around, smacked off his tits. I am pretty sure you can hear him playing with a belt and a needle in one bit of Up The Morning.

To conclude my rant, it is now being sold in most music stores up and down the country in the bargain bin for £5 or less. Is this the sign of a classic album?


You can get some amazing records sold for little money now, so that is no way to judge.

*goes out and buys Dylan CDs for cheep cheep like the budgie*

Laughing
deathnglory

the definitive classic album  "forever changes"   by LOVE.
enditall

What a stupid term. A " classic" album. What the fuck does that even mean? If you refer to any album as " classic" you are a pretentious arsehole.
jarvie

balachadha_bob wrote:
The thing about classic albums is that they take years to become so with the majority of listeners.

Only time will tell, but I will be happy to say told you so in a few years.

And I picked up my copy of the La's for £2 in HMV so.......   Wink


I concur.  Reasoning why I think of the Beatles, Dylan, Marley and Pink Floyd straight away when I think of classic albums..  DIA soon will come to mind with many I'm sure.  Oasis, Nirvana as well.

enditall wrote:
What a stupid term. A " classic" album. What the fuck does that even mean? If you refer to any album as " classic" you are a pretentious arsehole.


Speaking of pretentious.  And a tad stupid.   Rolling Eyes
Quadrophenia

balachadha_bob wrote:
The thing about classic albums is that they take years to become so with the majority of listeners.

Only time will tell, but I will be happy to say told you so in a few years.

And I picked up my copy of the La's for £2 in HMV so.......   Wink


Bearing in mind that this album has been around for nearly 20 years now, and you probably bought it in a sale. DIA has been around for not even 3, and flopped in its first 2 months of selling.
powermonkey

enditall wrote:
What a stupid term. A " classic" album. What the fuck does that even mean? If you refer to any album as " classic" you are a pretentious arsehole.


Don't be silly. Is Pet Sounds not a classic album? Dark Side Of The Moon? A Night At The Opera? Exodus? Permission To Land? Partytime by The Cheeky Girls?

Of course they're classics.

Rolling Eyes

Pretentious, moi?

Wink
balachadha_bob

Quadrophenia wrote:
balachadha_bob wrote:
The thing about classic albums is that they take years to become so with the majority of listeners.

Only time will tell, but I will be happy to say told you so in a few years.

And I picked up my copy of the La's for £2 in HMV so.......   Wink


Bearing in mind that this album has been around for nearly 20 years now, and you probably bought it in a sale. DIA has been around for not even 3, and flopped in its first 2 months of selling.


Maybe so but I don't think The Stone Roses or Dark Side Of The Moon have ever been available for £2.

I'm pretty sure the roses album has sold more in the last decade than in the first it was released.

Could be wrong but I think it has.
pusherman

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stone-Roses/dp/B00000745F

£2.99 is close enough for my first search.
balachadha_bob

pusherman wrote:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stone-Roses/dp/B00000745F

£2.99 is close enough for my first search.


Try searching for a new copy then, not used.. Laughing
enditall

powermonkey wrote:
enditall wrote:
What a stupid term. A " classic" album. What the fuck does that even mean? If you refer to any album as " classic" you are a pretentious arsehole.


Don't be silly. Is Pet Sounds not a classic album? Dark Side Of The Moon? A Night At The Opera? Exodus? Permission To Land? Partytime by The Cheeky Girls?

Of course they're classics.

Rolling Eyes

Pretentious, moi?

Wink
Nope. Im afraid its just a matter of taste.
pusherman

balachadha_bob wrote:
pusherman wrote:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stone-Roses/dp/B00000745F

£2.99 is close enough for my first search.


Try searching for a new copy then, not used.. Laughing


Here you go smartarse:

http://www.play.com/Music/CD/4-/147984/Stone-Roses/Product.html

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balachadha_bob

pusherman wrote:
balachadha_bob wrote:
pusherman wrote:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stone-Roses/dp/B00000745F

£2.99 is close enough for my first search.


Try searching for a new copy then, not used.. Laughing


Here you go smartarse:

http://www.play.com/Music/CD/4-/147984/Stone-Roses/Product.html

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Oh dear, you're still not grasping the "used" bit are you?

Rolling Eyes
pusherman

But it's not.
powermonkey

*ahem*

Don't lets start silly arguments or anything, or I shall have to determine whether or not my moderating powers still work! Consider yerselfs.......... WARNED.

*hums old-skool Manics tune*

Wink
balachadha_bob

pusherman wrote:
But it's not.


Go back and look again.

Smartarse.  Wink
Mel

suggest you look again
and look at the difference between one sold by play.com and one which is advertised underneath by playtrade

and powermonkey...what you got here that needs moderating or who needs warning? slightly confused
balachadha_bob

Mel wrote:
suggest you look again
and look at the difference between one sold by play.com and one which is advertised underneath by playtrade

and powermonkey...what you got here that needs moderating or who needs warning? slightly confused



If it is new it's still not £2 though so I will sit on my high horse a bit longer while you search to prove me wrong.
powermonkey

Mel wrote:
suggest you look again
and look at the difference between one sold by play.com and one which is advertised underneath by playtrade

and powermonkey...what you got here that needs moderating or who needs warning? slightly confused


Twas merely a warning, deary. These things tend to disintergrate into silliness and name-calling.

Wink
Stewart

powermonkey wrote:
Mel wrote:
suggest you look again
and look at the difference between one sold by play.com and one which is advertised underneath by playtrade

and powermonkey...what you got here that needs moderating or who needs warning? slightly confused


Twas merely a warning, deary. These things tend to disintergrate into silliness and name-calling.

Wink


Shoosh ya prick!!














Kiddin on  Razz
powermonkey

Stewart wrote:
powermonkey wrote:
Mel wrote:
suggest you look again
and look at the difference between one sold by play.com and one which is advertised underneath by playtrade

and powermonkey...what you got here that needs moderating or who needs warning? slightly confused


Twas merely a warning, deary. These things tend to disintergrate into silliness and name-calling.

Wink


Shoosh ya prick!!














Kiddin on  Razz


Laughing
blainey

If Babyshambles had of released 12 songs including the best of DIA and songs like 'Man who came to stay', 'Do you know me', and some of their other pre-album gems, it could well have been a classic. Would have been better the UTB in my opinion, but there's just too many songs for starters, and too many half decent songs that you knew could have been replaced by something a whole lot better.
Ricky Foley

[quote="blainey"]If Babyshambles had of released 12 songs including the best of DIA and songs like 'Man who came to stay', 'Do you know me', and some of their other pre-album gems, it could well have been a classic. Would have been better the UTB in my opinion, but there's just too many songs for starters, and too many half decent songs that you knew could have been replaced by something a whole lot better.[/quote]

Welcome Blainey. Very Happy  I have to agree there, the b-sides for the album were blinding in my oppinion. They could have taken out Pentonville, Up The Morning and Merry Go Round and put in Babyshambles, Man Who Came To Stay and Why Did You Break My Heart and Do You Know me and that album would have been sweet. Oh And Clementine was another good un. Smile
Quadrophenia

The production of The Man Who Came To Stay was too good for them to put it on, it would've stuck out like a sore thumb, but I agree about the B-sides, some of them were top notch. They could've put on Babyshambles, Black Boy Lane and maybe Piracy or East of Eden, in place of Pentonville, UTM and Merry Go Round (in my opinion)

I think I was disappointed because the production of Killamangiro was so clean, yet DIA was so scrappy and overly messy. I think the novelty of Babyshambles being shambolic sounding had worn off and people expected an oustanding album, considering the hype surrounding it and also as it had been delayed three times. For me, they didn't deliver and it sounds more like demo tapes that had been recorded on someones mobile phone. The distortion of the guitars gets too much and drowns out the bass in parts. They certainly did deliver with Shotter's Nation, where rythmn was consistent, the riffs and chords were fluent and most importantly, enjoyable. I don't know if I'm the only one, but parts of DIA were cringeworthy for me, and it really shouldn't be the case for an album. Production wise, it was sordid in my opinion and was not worth the asking price in the shops. Pete has released free music on the internet which was better than Down in Albion.

However, I was really pleased with the follow up, I think it is a champion album and I do listen to it quite frequently. Such is the case that I hardly ever listen to any of DIA. Long may this continue.
16thNovember

up the morning is a fucking beautiful song, my favourite
powermonkey

Am I the only one who prefers Mick Jones' production to Epworth's?

It would appear so, yes.

Sad
Ricky Foley

I don't blame Mick Jones personally, he made a good job of a bad performance really. Micks only downfull was that perhaps he had too much faith in Pete's abilites so was prepared to put up with the shit rather than doing a Stephen Street and telling him to fuck off unless he's prepared to do more than one take per song.
Quadrophenia

Ricky Foley wrote:
I don't blame Mick Jones personally, he made a good job of a bad performance really. Micks only downfull was that perhaps he had too much faith in Pete's abilites so was prepared to put up with the shit rather than doing a Stephen Street and telling him to fuck off unless he's prepared to do more than one take per song.


I don't think it would have taken so long to release if the whole album was done in one take. Saying that,
it shows me how shit they must have been if that's all they can muster after a good few takes.

From what I've gathered, Jones is way too laid back and Pete has said it himself, instead of discouraging all the drink and drugs in the studio, Mick joined in with them. I think Babyshambles need a strict schedule and ruling otherwise they will just fall back to square one again.
Ricky Foley

Well yeah not all of it was done it one take cause then thats a days work and it's finished, but you certainly can't say Up The Morning and Merry Go Round had ages spent rerecording them...
But I think we agree on the main point Mick was as you said too laid back, they definately need someone with Street's attitude in the studio and I would say all the time. The band sometimes need a slap around the face and told that they have a job that needs doing rather than indulging in other matters...
Quadrophenia

I think Adam and Drew are really focused musicians, it's just Pete's "Do what I want, when I want" attitude and he seems to pick up guitarists that don't  favour his problems.
Ricky Foley

Oh yeah Adam and Drew are the backbone of the band no doubt about that, if it weren't for those 2 the band would have come as far as they are now. Mick is better for the band in that respect as well as I think on stage the 3 tend to gel quite well and I think Shotter's Nation is all the better for it.
balachadha_bob

powermonkey wrote:
Am I the only one who prefers Mick Jones' production to Epworth's?

It would appear so, yes.

Sad


You're not alone john, I agree.

Listened to both albums back to back today whilst driving and DIA still completely outshines SN, (IMO), leagues apart.
pusherman

You are not real.
pale thin boy

i THINK DIA IS BETTER THAN SN
elyza

pale thin boy wrote:
i THINK DIA IS BETTER THAN SN


totally agree. shotters nation bores me to tears to be honest.
TIGER

Babyshambles are shit. I think I'll justify it now.

Everyone was like "Ohh they'll be insane!". They made an album. Everyone liked it for 15 minutes, then realised it was shit. It was pretty shit, not totally shit but forgivable. Everyone was like "Ohh, second album will be insane!". They made another album. No one liked it because it was so shit and boring. Everyone bang on about seeing them live but live recordings of their gigs are ultimately shit.

They live off fanboys that kiss the ground they walk on, and wank over everything they release. They're a shit band. In all fairness too, this is coming from someone that likes Klaxons. I know shit.
Quadrophenia

TIGER wrote:
Babyshambles are shit. I think I'll justify it now.

Everyone was like "Ohh they'll be insane!". They made an album. Everyone liked it for 15 minutes, then realised it was shit. It was pretty shit, not totally shit but forgivable. Everyone was like "Ohh, second album will be insane!". They made another album. No one liked it because it was so shit and boring. Everyone bang on about seeing them live but live recordings of their gigs are ultimately shit.

They live off fanboys that kiss the ground they walk on, and wank over everything they release. They're a shit band. In all fairness too, this is coming from someone that likes Klaxons. I know shit.


Yes, it appears you do. Babyshambles and Pete Doherty sell out every UK show they play, even managing a sell out arena tour. This is plain facts - they CANNOT be living on fanboys alone. If you have ever attended a Babyshambles gig, then you will also know this. I agree with your first point, about Down in Albion being forgivable, albeit very messy. Your last statement however was pretty childish and a lot of tripe. If this was the case, then you've just named all of the forum fanboys (and girls)

Seeing as you're "someone that likes Klaxons" then you should know that they are surviving on a very shortlived trend, which was supported by Topman/Topshop up until the point that people were bored of wearing purple skinny jeans, yellow fluorescent t shirts and glowsticks in winter. At the moment, I see it as they are living off people who still find "NU RAVE" cool.
balachadha_bob

Quadrophenia wrote:
TIGER wrote:
Babyshambles are shit. I think I'll justify it now.

Everyone was like "Ohh they'll be insane!". They made an album. Everyone liked it for 15 minutes, then realised it was shit. It was pretty shit, not totally shit but forgivable. Everyone was like "Ohh, second album will be insane!". They made another album. No one liked it because it was so shit and boring. Everyone bang on about seeing them live but live recordings of their gigs are ultimately shit.

They live off fanboys that kiss the ground they walk on, and wank over everything they release. They're a shit band. In all fairness too, this is coming from someone that likes Klaxons. I know shit.


Yes, it appears you do. Babyshambles and Pete Doherty sell out every UK show they play, even managing a sell out arena tour. This is plain facts - they CANNOT be living on fanboys alone. If you have ever attended a Babyshambles gig, then you will also know this. I agree with your first point, about Down in Albion being forgivable, albeit very messy. Your last statement however was pretty childish and a lot of tripe. If this was the case, then you've just named all of the forum fanboys (and girls)

Seeing as you're "someone that likes Klaxons" then you should know that they are surviving on a very shortlived trend, which was supported by Topman/Topshop up until the point that people were bored of wearing purple skinny jeans, yellow fluorescent t shirts and glowsticks in winter. At the moment, I see it as they are living off people who still find "NU RAVE" cool.


Whoah, thats a bit harsh!  Confused

I mean, that collaboration with Rihanna was monumental!!
Ricky Foley

balachadha_bob wrote:
powermonkey wrote:
Am I the only one who prefers Mick Jones' production to Epworth's?

It would appear so, yes.

Sad


You're not alone john, I agree.

Listened to both albums back to back today whilst driving and DIA still completely outshines SN, (IMO), leagues apart.


I have to disagree there, I put DIA on the other day and turned it off halfway through Killamangiro cause I got bored, Shotter's Nation is in my car on random and im loving it still. Personally I hold There She Goes, Unbilotitled, Unstookietitled, French Dog Blues, Deft Left Hand And Lost Art Of Murder in higher regard to any song of DIA except for Le Belle.. and Albion...
Quadrophenia

balachadha_bob wrote:
Quadrophenia wrote:
TIGER wrote:
Babyshambles are shit. I think I'll justify it now.

Everyone was like "Ohh they'll be insane!". They made an album. Everyone liked it for 15 minutes, then realised it was shit. It was pretty shit, not totally shit but forgivable. Everyone was like "Ohh, second album will be insane!". They made another album. No one liked it because it was so shit and boring. Everyone bang on about seeing them live but live recordings of their gigs are ultimately shit.

They live off fanboys that kiss the ground they walk on, and wank over everything they release. They're a shit band. In all fairness too, this is coming from someone that likes Klaxons. I know shit.


Yes, it appears you do. Babyshambles and Pete Doherty sell out every UK show they play, even managing a sell out arena tour. This is plain facts - they CANNOT be living on fanboys alone. If you have ever attended a Babyshambles gig, then you will also know this. I agree with your first point, about Down in Albion being forgivable, albeit very messy. Your last statement however was pretty childish and a lot of tripe. If this was the case, then you've just named all of the forum fanboys (and girls)

Seeing as you're "someone that likes Klaxons" then you should know that they are surviving on a very shortlived trend, which was supported by Topman/Topshop up until the point that people were bored of wearing purple skinny jeans, yellow fluorescent t shirts and glowsticks in winter. At the moment, I see it as they are living off people who still find "NU RAVE" cool.


Whoah, thats a bit harsh!  Confused

I mean, that collaboration with Rihanna was monumental!!


Was it? I never even knew about it
Mel

Quadrophenia wrote:


Yes, it appears you do. Babyshambles and Pete Doherty sell out every UK show they play, even managing a sell out arena tour. This is plain facts - they CANNOT be living on fanboys alone. .


Did they sell out the arena tour? I'm 99% certain Notts wasn't sold out. Definitely have seen more seats filled there
Quadrophenia

Mel wrote:
Quadrophenia wrote:


Yes, it appears you do. Babyshambles and Pete Doherty sell out every UK show they play, even managing a sell out arena tour. This is plain facts - they CANNOT be living on fanboys alone. .


Did they sell out the arena tour? I'm 99% certain Notts wasn't sold out. Definitely have seen more seats filled there


I don't know, they managed to sell out the rest of the dates though I think, including Wembley.
Mel

apparantly opening night at manchester men was half empty???
Quadrophenia

Mel wrote:
apparantly opening night at manchester men was half empty???


I don't believe it was half empty for a second.

You do love your exact figures, don't you?


I'm trying to prove  a point. They sold out dates on an Arena tour (something which I thought they could not do) Which means they cannot be living off the backs of fanboys.
Mel

And I'm trying to prove a point that it's not plain fact they had a sold out Arena tour Laughing
Ricky Foley

Im pretty sure they sold about 80% of tickets, Bournemouth was the only one that sold out I think. Still its rather good to sell about 9,000 out of 12,000 tickets at Wembley, they usually play to about 3,500 max on normal tours don't they.

Your right about them not relying on fanboys Quandraphenia, but Mel is also right it wasn't a sell out...

Glad that's settled. Wink
Quadrophenia

Ricky Foley wrote:
Im pretty sure they sold about 80% of tickets, Bournemouth was the only one that sold out I think. Still its rather good to sell about 9,000 out of 12,000 tickets at Wembley, they usually play to about 3,500 max on normal tours don't they.

Your right about them not relying on fanboys Quandraphenia, but Mel is also right it wasn't a sell out...

Glad that's settled. Wink


The show I went to was sold out, there was a few empty seats but it was advertised as SOLD OUT, as was Wembley, and as you just confirmed, Bournemouth. They might not have sold out everywhere on the tour, maybe I wasn't specific enough, but it proves my point. They are playing to a very wide audience.
Rich

I think bmth sold out but they did move the gig to a smaller hall.

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