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enditall

defending Peter Doherty

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/...69&in_page_id=1770#AddComment

My response to Brian Kelly!

Hmm Brian Kelly, why don't you go and buy The Libertines first album "Up the Bracket" and then moan about how Pete Doherty gets more of a publishers time than you do. Did it ever occurr to you that story of a young talented poet abandoning his predetermined life of lecturing English in a stuffy university, arriving in London with not a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out, forming the most brilliant, innovative, and groundbreaking band in the U.K since the Clash or the Sex Pistols and then allowing a crippling drug addiction to ruin it all, is even a patch on your "NOVELS", which you rather embarrassingly try to bestow some sort of merit upon by citing the WORD COUNT!! get a life mate, please get a life.

bet they dont post it.
Jason

I hope they don't, you sound like a prize tool arse kissing him, and people that call Pete Doherty a "poet" should really not be allowed near anything that runs on electricity. I'm sorry he is essentially a Rock Star. That is it. And "innovative"? The man seemingly exists on cliche these days.

And how do you know Brian doesn't own UTB? and berating someone for trying to publish their own novels is fucking ridiculous without even knowing his text, did you think this response through at all?

It's basically him conveying his own disgust at Pete being offered a book deal on account of his celebrity (the book didn't sell well and was barely readable) which seems fair enough, I would be bitter too.
red-rose

Haven't read what Brian Kelly wrote so don't really know what's going on, but what is annoying me at the moment is the host of people on tv, radio etc defending amy winehouse and saying how troubled and exploited she is, but i can't imagine them taking a second to look sympathetically at peter.

not that i want them saying 'what a tortured soul, poor boy' about him though, there's enough of that on French Dog Writtles
enditall

Jason wrote:
I hope they don't, you sound like a prize tool arse kissing him, and people that call Pete Doherty a "poet" should really not be allowed near anything that runs on electricity. I'm sorry he is essentially a Rock Star. That is it. And "innovative"? The man seemingly exists on cliche these days.

And how do you know Brian doesn't own UTB? and berating someone for trying to publish their own novels is fucking ridiculous without even knowing his text, did you think this response through at all?

It's basically him conveying his own disgust at Pete being offered a book deal on account of his celebrity (the book didn't sell well and was barely readable) which seems fair enough, I would be bitter too.


(a) He sounds like a classic Daily Mail reader who should be ridiculed using all of the classic, straw man, argumentative devices possible.
(B) You know fine and well he has never heard of Up the Bracket
(c) Absolutely no decent novelist on this earth uses their novels word count when trying to promote the merits of their novel
(d) "You are are a prize tool arse "(three nouns successively? Go and read some more words, if you wanted to insult me "Sycophant" may have been more succinct here ). Considering he toured Russia reading poetry at the behest of the British Council before he was anywhere near a rockstar would suggest to me that, at least, chronologically, Pete Doherty was certainly a poet first.
Jason

That little list is just darling, I wanna make my own.

A. You sound like a pillock who basically wanks maniacally in his darkened bedroom for the chance to berate one of the people who take a shot at Pete Doherty....I pointed this out, seeing as you felt the need to point out Brian.

B. Do I? Thanks for telling me what I know, I forgot I had rifled through his CD collection there.

C. He wasn't trying to "promote" it as such either......he was saying he has written several novels, and the word count is basically to show that they are novels and not just short stories.

D. He may have been a poet first, and for a short period of time, but like many other things in his life he pissed all that down the drain.....

Anything else?...Do you wanna have a look at my CD collection? I assure you UTB is there and I don't read the Daily Mail, what are you gonna do?....It's a nail biter to say the least.
Quadrophenia

red-rose wrote:
Haven't read what Brian Kelly wrote so don't really know what's going on, but what is annoying me at the moment is the host of people on tv, radio etc defending amy winehouse and saying how troubled and exploited she is, but i can't imagine them taking a second to look sympathetically at peter.
not that i want them saying 'what a tortured soul, poor boy' about him though, there's enough of that on French Dog Writtles


He burgled his best friend's flat
He has lied, time and time again about being clean
He appeared absolutely wasted on International Television with Elton John
He spouted blood from a syringe into a tv camera live on air.

This is enough to make me think he is an idiot, I dunno about the media.
Libertine

most people on this forum make me laugh..

let pete do what he wants

there is no point in having a paddy, because he was smacked up on tv..

so many people are alike these days, and follow the same basic guideline in life..

its good to see somebody who sometimes throws that out of the window, so what if he was high , when he performed with elton john..

elton john is a fat ginger prick, who happens to write, SHITE music.

im not defending pete, but why have a moan over rebellion ?

live with it and follow it if you dont want to be the same boring arsehole who sits at home , listens to tmf all day and downloads the latest hits

bye
Libertine

that wasent directed at you Quadrophenia, it was directed to more or less everyone out these who gets really annoyed that he aint clean.. theres no point in letting it affect your life, or your views on the man / his music
Mel

Libertine wrote:
most people on this forum make me laugh..

let pete do what he wants

there is no point in having a paddy, because he was smacked up on tv..

so many people are alike these days, and follow the same basic guideline in life..
its good to see somebody who sometimes throws that out of the window, so what if he was high , when he performed with elton john..

elton john is a fat ginger prick, who happens to write, SHITE music.

im not defending pete, but why have a moan over rebellion ?

live with it and follow it if you dont want to be the same boring arsehole who sits at home , listens to tmf all day and downloads the latest hits

bye


and so many people are alike these days and don't follow the same basic guidelines in life

and it's not rebellion at all Rolling Eyes he's an addict who is struggling to stay clean
Jason

Also, Elton John has written some of the finest Pop Songs ever.......get Goodbye Yellowbrick Road and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Also, you think Pete's rebellious? Get any of Elton's work from his beginning till about 95' the man was so smacked out of his mind he must of been Che Guevera.
elyza

Jason wrote:
Also, Elton John has written some of the finest Pop Songs ever.......get Goodbye Yellowbrick Road and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Also, you think Pete's rebellious? Get any of Elton's work from his beginning till about 95' the man was so smacked out of his mind he must of been Che Guevera.


didn't bernie taupin write most of elton johns lyrics?
Jason

elyza wrote:
Jason wrote:
Also, Elton John has written some of the finest Pop Songs ever.......get Goodbye Yellowbrick Road and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Also, you think Pete's rebellious? Get any of Elton's work from his beginning till about 95' the man was so smacked out of his mind he must of been Che Guevera.


didn't bernie taupin write most of elton johns lyrics?


Yep it was very much a Morrissey and Marr situation......Tapuin would give Elton the rough lyrics and Elton would do the rest, they rarely spoke to each other ever....but still managed to write some incredible tracks....
elyza

Jason wrote:
elyza wrote:
Jason wrote:
Also, Elton John has written some of the finest Pop Songs ever.......get Goodbye Yellowbrick Road and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Also, you think Pete's rebellious? Get any of Elton's work from his beginning till about 95' the man was so smacked out of his mind he must of been Che Guevera.


didn't bernie taupin write most of elton johns lyrics?


Yep it was very much a Morrissey and Marr situation......Tapuin would give Elton the rough lyrics and Elton would do the rest, they rarely spoke to each other ever....but still managed to write some incredible tracks....


i did not know that. every day is a school day indeed.
Quadrophenia

Libertine wrote:
most people on this forum make me laugh..

let pete do what he wants

there is no point in having a paddy, because he was smacked up on tv..

so many people are alike these days, and follow the same basic guideline in life..

its good to see somebody who sometimes throws that out of the window, so what if he was high , when he performed with elton john..

elton john is a fat ginger prick, who happens to write, SHITE music.

im not defending pete, but why have a moan over rebellion ?

live with it and follow it if you dont want to be the same boring arsehole who sits at home , listens to tmf all day and downloads the latest hits

bye



Ah, spot the dickhead. Where do I start?


Being on heroin is not rebellion, it's being chained to something which people rarely escape.

If no one had a "paddy" over him being under the influence of drugs on live television then somebody, somewhere would think this was acceptable.

If you took time out of posing in your mirror with your topman trilby and your neon pink rosaries to listen to some Elton John, he has made some damn inspirational music. Yes, he may be fat, ginger and a prick but he has sold millions more than The Lord Pete Christ ever will. I'd like to add that he looks a damn sight healthier than Pete too.

Also, I for one don't want to "live with it, and follow it" if it means being badly addicted to smack and crack. I'm guessing you are living the dream though, sunshine?

Laughing
Ricky Foley

Theres definately nothing wrong with Elton John, even if you don't like the guys songs you can't say he hasn't made a great career for himself!

And drug addiction is far from being a "Libertine". I can remeber either Noel or Liam Gallagher once making quite a funny comment about that once.

Pete Doherty is hardly a rebel, he's just a young man struggling with an addiction, theres nothing cool or cleaver about it. Rolling Eyes
dean_bpm

The thing is 'libertines' in history like Marquis de Sade, John Wilmott, Aleister Crowley, Claude Le Petit etc tend to be of the drug addict, alcholic, sado masochistic, kiddie fiddling, perverted variety. Its just that people have this romantic idea of what a libertine should be which is a load of rose tinted bollocks. It has absolutley nothing to do with not letting anything control your life. If that was the case then none of the people i named above could be called Libertines. A libertine is basically "a dissolute person unrestrained by morality, religion or law, with the pursuit of personal pleasure being the highest principle" so yes i personally think drug addiction is textbook Libertine behaviour as is alot of Petes other behaviour. Its not a good thing though.
Ricky Foley

dean_bpm wrote:
The thing is 'libertines' in history like Marquis de Sade, John Wilmott, Aleister Crowley, Claude Le Petit etc tend to be of the drug addict, alcholic, sado masochistic, kiddie fiddling, perverted variety. Its just that people have this romantic idea of what a libertine should be which is a load of rose tinted bollocks. It has absolutley nothing to do with not letting anything control your life. If that was the case then none of the people i named above could be called Libertines. A libertine is basically "a dissolute person unrestrained by morality, religion or law, with the pursuit of personal pleasure being the highest principle" so yes i personally think drug addiction is textbook Libertine behaviour as is alot of Petes other behaviour. Its not a good thing though.


Yeah is technically true....but you know what i mean! Embarassed
Mel

but he's restrained by his addiction...is that a libertine?
enditall

Jason wrote:
That little list is just darling, I wanna make my own.

A. You sound like a pillock who basically wanks maniacally in his darkened bedroom for the chance to berate one of the people who take a shot at Pete Doherty....I pointed this out, seeing as you felt the need to point out Brian.

B. Do I? Thanks for telling me what I know, I forgot I had rifled through his CD collection there.

C. He wasn't trying to "promote" it as such either......he was saying he has written several novels, and the word count is basically to show that they are novels and not just short stories.

D. He may have been a poet first, and for a short period of time, but like many other things in his life he pissed all that down the drain.....

Anything else?...Do you wanna have a look at my CD collection? I assure you UTB is there and I don't read the Daily Mail, what are you gonna do?....It's a nail biter to say the least.


If you read some of my previous posts, you may come to a different conclusion. Sometimes I like to take the position opposite to what I believe and see if I can defend it.
Jason

I do too, I am a fan of arguments (as much as I slavishly deny it) quite a large fan as anyone who has ever spoken to me ever will tell you.

It's just impossible to defend a heroin addict who gets everything handed to him, because of genius he once had with a struggling artist who may have the next "of mice and men" or "bell jar" collecting dust as no one wants to know.
enditall

In fact, it's probably not the case of taking a point I disagree with and trying to defend it. Whenever I come across someone infatuated with Pete Doherty, I feel my blood boil and point out all the crap, similarly whenever I meet someone who calls him a talentless waster I feel the need to point out all the great songs he has written.
Ricky Foley

Mel wrote:
but he's restrained by his addiction...is that a libertine?


I would say no, just because I've always thought it to be about freethinking etc..but one who has a crippling addiction to not one but two substances surely doesn't think freely, but im just a simpleton on such issues! Embarassed
Mel

well that's my view on it

*not you being a simpleton Laughing
Ricky Foley

Mel wrote:
well that's my view on it

*not you being a simpleton Laughing


Laughing Well me being a simpleton aside, I never see anything Pete does as rebellous just as the actions of a desperate young drug addict, It's hard to defend him purely based on he's music cause people just say "well he won't be turning up at wembly cause he's going to be too high so the music wont matter".
pale thin boy

i'm utterly deflated, i feel so let down by myself. i was one who thoght 'The Petester' had it all. Drugs have ruined him. There is no pint in defending someone who seem unable to defend himself

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