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enditall

Can anyone actually be arsed?

Peter Doherty wrote some of the best songs ever with Carl Barat. He formed a band called Babyshambles out of spite (has anything good ever been done out of spite?) whose first album poached a number of songs from his previous outfit. As somebody who is often proclaimed to be a lyrical genius Shotters Nation contains some of the most obvious rhyming lyrical humpty dumpty as the nursery rhyme of the same name. The riffs plagiarize All Day and All Night on Delivery, and Side of the Road has the exact same sounding chorus as The Boy Looked at Johnny but with less meaning and passion. I once smugly laughed at a guy I worked with who decided that Noel Gallagher was as genius as a " fart in the bath". I would now apply the same nomenclature to Doherty.
Jason

Wow, someone has just caught on that Doherty isn't a lyrical genius (which on his better songs, I would argue he could be).....that must of been quite the epiphany, were you on the toilet at the time?

He has the potential to be something great, and Shotters Nation for all intensive purposes has come on leaps and bounds in terms of song construction and delivery for what it is, which is basically an apology for the horrendous shite that was DiA.....record number three is probably gonna be the one that'll make or break him (y'know if he's not well dead before then)

And he has that solo thing as well, which will probably shift him a good few units.

I am by no means the biggest Babyhambles fan in the universe but they definitely have the ability and minus addiction may finally deliver on some of the outlandish claims made about them, The Libertines are done.....nostalgia makes people see things better than they actually were, it's no different for them.
Emma

I think Carl got a rough deal, I never thought the Libertines had genius lyrics but I think its odd how people call Pete a genius and sort of ignore carl completely.. maybe because pete is seen as a tragic, misunderstood character, I don't know. But Carl didn't just re-record old libertines stuff for the first DPT album which i think is quite respectable, and although I don't think DPT are the most exciting band the lyrics aren't half bad, better than most of SN anyway. So no, I can't really be arsed with Babyshambles at the moment, but I hope Jason's right and the next one will be excellent, however, I'm not campaigning for a reunion or anything, but I think Pete will only write anything remotely close to genius again if he teams up with Carl.
the shambolian

I can be arsed. I really liked both albums. I don't think he is a lyrical genius, but he is good obviously. Same with Carl, although I'm not really impressed with anything DPT have done
Libertine

the books of albion prove he is a lyrical genius, but remember that he is a poet and not so much a song writer, i think people forget this.

to be quite honest im dissapointed in the SN album, it really annoyed me how he released tracks on it that was already floating about on the internet, and dont have anything wrong with them , and to be honest, sound just as good as what they do on SN, i think down in albion was an amazing album, about 3 months ago i had only listend to the main songs on the album, but i sat down one night and listend to the thing the whole way through, and to be honest, it is an amazing album,

i also think carl barat is just as good as pete doherty , but in carls case, more in the way of writing music, as apose to poetry, i can hear the libertines, in DPT, and i can hear the lyrical stylings in babyshambles as i could in the libertines, clearly carl was the song man, and pete more the lyrical man.

i dont want babyshambles to live up to the libertines, why would i want all of my mates hammering the same tracks i like, and ruining a song, or the radio for this matter, who is more impressed by the kaisers anymore? or franz ferdinand, arctic monkeys, they are plain bands because of the radio, sure they can play good music, but the songs have been played too much publicaly,

with down in albion, its like your listening to something thats unique, and hidden, something that not many people know about, something that the radio wouldnt dare to play - e.g - merry go round, but with SN, delivery just sounds like a brit-pop song to me, dead left hand and french dog blues are the best on the album , but the songs seem more commercial then what they did on d.i.a, i think pete released commercial songs for a reason , other then the poetic, lyrical style of his lesser known songs, - e.g a little death around the eyes, lady dont fall backwards , un bilo titled , all in which are non-commercial songs, and would only appeal to a certain audience, in this case, true babyshambles fans.

shotters nation is a disgrace compared to d.i.a , how anybody can think the opposite must be crazy
Libertine

sorry for that little rant
Jason

I'm far more impressed with Arctic Monkeys.

We have talked about this before on here, as an overall band AM completely smash Babyshambles to smithereens, in terms of music quality its definite....and terms of lyrics is really just taste, but Alex Turner is a fantastic lyricist.

Great music doesn't get old......that's how the test of truly classic tracks is measured...
Stewart

Its all personal opinion. All i can say is that i still really enjoy babyshambles' music, dont like anything about the arctic monkeys, and that if i was someone with enditall's opinions, i probably wouldnt be posting here.
UpTheHinge

I'm never entirely sure how much of the music Pete writes or has written but musically I think almost every Libertines and Babyshambles song is brilliant. There's the odd song I'm not overly keen on but I don't really dislike any of their songs (yes, even Don't Be Shy, Pentonville etc.). Lyrics I pay less attention too so am not going to get into a debate about that. Frankly if Pete was the best lyricist ever but sang them to shite tunes then I wouldn't give him or his respective bands a second glance.

Not really sure where I'm going with that but anyway....
Ricky Foley

Yeah i have to agree with both Stewart and UpTheHinge, I don't like anything about the Artic Monkeys and the singers voice in particular does my head in! I really love DPT first album and DIA and think that a Libertines renioun would get the best out of both Peter and Carl.
I think that with DIA there's loads of great tunes, but Pete and Pat were not in the best of shapes to do take after take and Mick Jones did his best with what he was given!
Unbilotitled, There She Goes, Baddies Boogie and Lost Art Of Murder are four superb songs and some of Petes best his written IMO, From The Blinding onwards the band have gotten better and shown they know how to write a tune.

I don't know if i went of course there cause I've forgotten what the thread was about, but thats my oppinion on the subject. Very Happy
enditall

Stewart wrote:
Its all personal opinion. All i can say is that i still really enjoy babyshambles' music, dont like anything about the arctic monkeys, and that if i was someone with enditall's opinions, i probably wouldnt be posting here.


I hardly think thats fair. I've gone to loads of shambles gigs, every one they have played in Scotland minus one Glasgow gig. I'm just starting to think they are a bit rubbish to be honest, and thought this would be a good place to air my views.
pusherman

I've thought they were shit for ages and I still post here.
Stewart

enditall wrote:
Stewart wrote:
Its all personal opinion. All i can say is that i still really enjoy babyshambles' music, dont like anything about the arctic monkeys, and that if i was someone with enditall's opinions, i probably wouldnt be posting here.


I hardly think thats fair. I've gone to loads of shambles gigs, every one they have played in Scotland minus one Glasgow gig. I'm just starting to think they are a bit rubbish to be honest, and thought this would be a good place to air my views.


Fair enough. Just seems most of your posts about the band and pete doherty are about how you dont like them, and i personally wouldnt take such an interest in something i didnt like.
Jason

Stewart wrote:
enditall wrote:
Stewart wrote:
Its all personal opinion. All i can say is that i still really enjoy babyshambles' music, dont like anything about the arctic monkeys, and that if i was someone with enditall's opinions, i probably wouldnt be posting here.


I hardly think thats fair. I've gone to loads of shambles gigs, every one they have played in Scotland minus one Glasgow gig. I'm just starting to think they are a bit rubbish to be honest, and thought this would be a good place to air my views.


Fair enough. Just seems most of your posts about the band and pete doherty are about how you dont like them, and i personally wouldnt take such an interest in something i didnt like.


It's easy to create passion from something you don't like........probably why rants on the internet are so common.
Stewart

Jason wrote:
Stewart wrote:
enditall wrote:
Stewart wrote:
Its all personal opinion. All i can say is that i still really enjoy babyshambles' music, dont like anything about the arctic monkeys, and that if i was someone with enditall's opinions, i probably wouldnt be posting here.


I hardly think thats fair. I've gone to loads of shambles gigs, every one they have played in Scotland minus one Glasgow gig. I'm just starting to think they are a bit rubbish to be honest, and thought this would be a good place to air my views.


Fair enough. Just seems most of your posts about the band and pete doherty are about how you dont like them, and i personally wouldnt take such an interest in something i didnt like.


It's easy to create passion from something you don't like........probably why rants on the internet are so common.


Of course it is, im just saying i personally wouldnt be on a forum of a band i didnt like.

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